Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 592

  • Looper
    Looper   6 days back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Jonathan Henry
      Jonathan Henry  9 hours back

      @Joseph Bernard Lets just agree to disagree. In my opinion a 100% imaginary movie is as lame as it gets but I would never really hate the movie because I don't believe for a second what you do but I think eventually I will be proved correct if they do a sequel which is looking more & more possible especially since the movie is making so much $$$. I saw that same exact interview with Joaquin Phoenix & you are looking way to into it. He is just being honest. He simply never really had a dream of working as an actor aside a Batman actor in Batman movie. Thats it. Also that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in a batman movie. He never had a dream of playing Jpker either but now he sais it was his favorite role. You'll see...when the sequal comes out it will be obvious that the whole thing was imaginary theory is crap & the director was the real Joker here cause he played a huge joke on you.

    • Baxter Burns
      Baxter Burns  11 hours back

      Only thing that happened between him and that girl was in the elevator. The date never happened nor him kissing her at the door

    • Tad Macudzinski
      Tad Macudzinski  11 hours back

      @Todd Brown I did most of that after seeing it for the second time. If you rewatch it with that idea then the stuff is easier to catch. Joaquins performance makes you miss it the first time.

    • lauta nu
      lauta nu  12 hours back

      @Tad Macudzinski after the train full of clowns he went off smoking with his right hand, and in theory everyone knew the "you get what you fucking deserve" from the tv cast. Just pointing out, im still intrigued trying to find out the true. The clock seems like the strongest evidence, but being a delusion in a delusion (neighbor) its pretty strange, although ive heard that the romance was originally "real" and not disacreditated with extra scenes. So in that case it would make more sense that everything was a delusion, but trying to point out that in the movie are delusions with that neighbor thing made it confusing. Maybe theyre just fucking with us and made it confusing on purpouse without really solid real "right" point of view. I hope there is a right answer because if not it would be a cheap mindfuck and a waste of time. (I saw the killing joke, so it makes sense that its all a lie)(also i saw an image from a comic where joker said that he wanna star his own movie and that would be the greatest joke, funny fact)

    • Lisa Bartolone
      Lisa Bartolone  21 hours back

      I dont really think it matters which parts are real or not...the real point of the movie is the lack of mental healthcare in the US now...it appears he knew he needed help and was seeking it until all the funding to his program was cut...then the punch line, "what do you get when you mix unstable people and a society that treats them like crap...you get what you deserve...which I think is the directors statement on all the shootings going on with mentally unstable people behind it....IMO...

  • Sebastián Dongo
    Sebastián Dongo  10 minutes back

    People in the comment section are desperate to know the truth, and so am I :'^(

    • Jonathan Pratte
      Jonathan Pratte  18 minutes back

      Stupid.

      • Tony Marshall
        Tony Marshall  25 minutes back

        I'm fine with him not being the actual joker but inspiring the real joker. The whole made up story makes the film seem less interesting

        • Ben Mulvey
          Ben Mulvey  34 minutes back

          Endgame was garbage Joker was a masterpiece!

          • Gavan Weimer
            Gavan Weimer  49 minutes back

            That ending should be so terrible

            • Dj Ferrer
              Dj Ferrer  54 minutes back

              I just want Joaquin to win a damn Oscar, it took how many years for Leo to win, but this should be and better be Joaquins success with this acting goal to get the academy. I haven't even seen the movie it's already giving me the creeps how he plays joker and how insanely good he plays joker (dark dark joker). Up until Heath, Joaquin plays the best joker and the scariest one so far. Heath is looking down "give him the best actor award or else"

              • The Kid
                The Kid  1 hours back

                Hot take: Joker is better than a lot of marvel movies

                • Medalion
                  Medalion  1 hours back

                  The idea that this character insipred the REAL Joker one day... is akin to what GOTHAM was trying to do with Jerome/Jeremiah Valeska.

                  • Kendel Tompkins
                    Kendel Tompkins  2 hours back

                    This made me more upset than I was when I walked out of that movie

                    • Joce Williamovski
                      Joce Williamovski  2 hours back

                      Arthur hooking up with that pretty girl was definitely a hallucintion lol I was like yeah right.. just like that? It makes sense now haha

                      • M-T
                        M-T  2 hours back

                        What people are missing so crucially is, is that the story was purposely made to be in the perspective of a delusional man.

                        Question, do people who hallucinate *KNOW* what are hallucinations or not? Answer : No

                        Seeing as *EVERYTHING* is in the perspective of Arthur, we cannot say for sure what has happened or what has not.
                        If this was a movie about anything or anyone other than "joker", then that makes for a *SHIT* movie.
                        However, due to the context of who this movie is about, it makes PERFECT sense as to how vague / confusing the story is.

                        If you're a fan of DC Joker, then you'd know exactly why Joker's origin is special, it's because he doesn't have one (canonically). A movie making one for him is of course going to get the ire of some fans, but seeing that it is set in his perspective, we cannot really say for certain if anything is really true.
                        One possibility is that this would be used as a narrative for the real joker (for the upcoming batman movie with Robert), wherein the joker is going on a monologue about how he got "these scars" (callback to Heath Ledger), and he'd say a summary of the movie + "and I was a spectator, and was inspired by him, so I used a razor to cut open my mouth, that's it".

                        • luapchen
                          luapchen  2 hours back

                          Does anyone know what the Joker meant with that last „You wouldn‘t get it.“?

                          • The Gift Of Jericho Y2H HZR

                            I'd like to believe it was very 50/50. And that he is the real Joker however some parts were exaggerated, or maybe even made up. It's like an "old tale" where it's core is true but the way it's told is perspective. Maybe this was the Joker's personal perspective, how it felt. Where as everything else is from a different perspective.

                            • LeoUSA33
                              LeoUSA33  3 hours back

                              If Arthur is not the Joker, then it defeats the purpose of the movie, in my opinion.

                              • Perry Sar
                                Perry Sar  4 hours back

                                What about the suicide scene with the refrigerator???....did he die??? ....

                                • TheMetal Hammer
                                  TheMetal Hammer  4 hours back

                                  Joker's Sequel: Turns out that Jared Leto has framed Arthur and waiting the right moment to reveal himself as the real Joker

                                  • Cookie herbalqueen_
                                    Cookie herbalqueen_  4 hours back

                                    I wanna know NOWWWWWWW

                                    • Phea7
                                      Phea7  5 hours back

                                      No, please. They created the best Joker's origin story ever. Don't tell me that it's fake or that Arthur was only an inspiration to "true" Joker. Please, don't.

                                      • Ekkk
                                        Ekkk  4 hours back

                                        They said it's up to interpretation. It may be real, it may be a hallucination, there's no objectively correct answer.

                                    • BarT xxx
                                      BarT xxx  5 hours back

                                      Ok. I have made this comment before on other videos but I'll say it again.
                                      The fridge scene is important. Arthur Fleck did not come out from that fridge. Those fridges back in the days were known to be dead traps.
                                      Any events happened after the fridge scene were just hallucinations of Arthur's oxygen deprived brain.
                                      Joker doesn't have to be Arthur Fleck. Joker is not a one man , it is an idea. This is shown to us plenty times in the movie by everybody wearing clown masks
                                      Even the comics never told us his real name.
                                      The timeline is also consistent with this theory as Bruce Wayne won't be Batman for another 15 -20 years when he meets Joker which can not be Arthur Fleck as he would be roughly around 60 years old.
                                      Yes folks , you heard me, Arthur Fleck died in that fridge.

                                      • Music Selector
                                        Music Selector  6 hours back

                                        Relax on the depth behind the movie, how easy is it to write and film a story with imaginary twists leaving you to wonder the validity of it’s realism. Get over it pretentious Hollywood, it’s been there and done that manifolds over.

                                        • 718nycarlo
                                          718nycarlo  7 hours back

                                          lazy theory. video made just to ride the hype and catch views 🙄

                                          • FURinTeeth
                                            FURinTeeth  7 hours back

                                            3:13 THANK GOD!!!

                                            • John HENDRICKS
                                              John HENDRICKS  7 hours back

                                              Thank God, I think this version of Joker will better without Batman match up this should be it's own world if they decide to do a sequel.

                                              • FUN MINUTE
                                                FUN MINUTE  7 hours back

                                                I don't wanna know about the last scene 😢

                                                for me ... Everything was perfect to my senses 👌😚

                                                • Jared Haught
                                                  Jared Haught  8 hours back

                                                  I think most of the ending actually happened. It shows development from the beginning.

                                                  • Luthfi Randhika
                                                    Luthfi Randhika  8 hours back

                                                    My theory is : he is already the Joker, the whole thing is one of his multiple choises of his past. This scene happened after he is captured by Batman and brought to the asylum. And i like to think that this version of Joker knows that bruce wayne is Batman but doesn't care about telling it to anyone. That's why bruce wayne's past is a part of his "Joke".

                                                    • Luthfi Randhika
                                                      Luthfi Randhika  8 hours back

                                                      "Then, why does he imagined that his past was tragic? He's the joker, he doest care about anything!".
                                                      Well, in the killing joke comic, he said to Batman :
                                                      "Something like that (a tragic past) happened to me, you know. I.. i'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes i remember it one way, sometimes another..."
                                                      "If im going to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choise! HA HA HA.. "

                                                    • Luthfi Randhika
                                                      Luthfi Randhika  8 hours back

                                                      The name Arthur fleck might also be one of many names he thinks his real name is. Because the joker said in the killing joke comic that he remember his past to be some way and sometimes another.

                                                  • Kernel Linux
                                                    Kernel Linux  8 hours back

                                                    During the movie you see this guy with a clown mask watching Joker in the background through all of this, the same person that killed Bruce’s parents at the end and the Joker laughs and says “it’s between me and him” - “him” being the real Joker.

                                                    • Samantha Pattinson
                                                      Samantha Pattinson  9 hours back

                                                      I hope that everything was not a dream

                                                      • Lycx
                                                        Lycx  9 hours back

                                                        but if he just imagined the whole movie (/scenes) in his head, why are bruces parents dead? something like a havoc must be happened

                                                        • Dave C
                                                          Dave C  10 hours back

                                                          This is awful...
                                                          Showing me this movie...
                                                          Telling me it's Joker's origin...
                                                          You just wanted to subvert my expectations....
                                                          You're just like the rest of 'um!

                                                          • Morgan Vierheller
                                                            Morgan Vierheller  10 hours back

                                                            Think for yourself. Determine your own perspective.

                                                            • GianZ73
                                                              GianZ73  10 hours back

                                                              If all of Joker's life is imagined, who's imagining it? Maybe not a specific person/character, but all of us. It's a movie: a "daydream" imagined by its authors and the public together in a sort of collective dream. We, as a society, produce our world: our dreams (as our acts) reflect that, including our fears and desires. So do movies. In a way, we are creating the Joker together: we give him life as the people wearing the mask give him a collective status, a "recognized" villain identity.

                                                              • david bright
                                                                david bright  10 hours back

                                                                I took it that fleck joker is a symbol of the madness spreading in Gotham. And at the end we see the person that becomes the joker kill batman parents.

                                                                • Yuno Ishida
                                                                  Yuno Ishida  10 hours back

                                                                  Arthur wont face bruce bcoz by the time bruce became batman arthur is already a senior citizen

                                                                  • Bothwell Tekla Cativu
                                                                    Bothwell Tekla Cativu  11 hours back

                                                                    I hate y'all, now am thinking too. Much

                                                                    • Mike Oakley
                                                                      Mike Oakley  11 hours back

                                                                      Another theory I've had is Arthur Fleck isn't even in Gotham City, and what plays out is an elaborate fantasy in the head of someone in the real world with a disillusion obsession with the comic book character.

                                                                      • l-i-h
                                                                        l-i-h  12 hours back

                                                                        I really dislike this theroy because they made it clear to me this is the real joker the way he laughs the way he acts and the way his life connects with Bruce Wayne if this is some random guy and the joker is inspired due to his story I will be very disappointed because why even make ties to Bruce why even make his mum have a past with the Wayne family even if she was crazy they obviously knew her it makes no sense to me.

                                                                        • Pohovana Hrenovka
                                                                          Pohovana Hrenovka  13 hours back

                                                                          Am i the only one that got that rare affect while watching movie . And that happend when Arthur shot Murray

                                                                          • EchoRhythm.TV
                                                                            EchoRhythm.TV  13 hours back

                                                                            I’m more confused now 😔

                                                                            • David Harvey
                                                                              David Harvey  13 hours back

                                                                              I think it's all a joke.

                                                                              • Zed C
                                                                                Zed C  14 hours back

                                                                                I want a fucking sequel already!

                                                                                • Melvin
                                                                                  Melvin  14 hours back

                                                                                  The story itself is multiple-choice already. And it's funny because you hear different interpretations after the film.

                                                                                  • arham Tariq
                                                                                    arham Tariq  14 hours back

                                                                                    Was he the joker or he was thinking all of this in his mind or weather he killed anyone or just he is imagining??
                                                                                    So much complicated

                                                                                    • DOMINGUES Florian
                                                                                      DOMINGUES Florian  15 hours back

                                                                                      That, or the facte that the joke IS about Bruce. Arthur is indirectly responsable for the Wayne murder's (start the riot, paint a target on Thomas during the show) and in doing that, he is responsable for the creation of his own nemesis. By burning down the city, and make Bruce as abandonned that he was all his life, creating the Batman. The joke cannot be "nothing is real", the Joke is "you all believe that was a Joker origin story only ?" ---> people who watched Split will get it.

                                                                                      • coldven0m
                                                                                        coldven0m  15 hours back

                                                                                        If this is true I am very disappointed

                                                                                        • Ed Regis
                                                                                          Ed Regis  16 hours back

                                                                                          I never thought till now that all that stuff Arthur did as the Joker may have only been in his head. And I watched Joker barely 2 days ago!

                                                                                          • Camacho J
                                                                                            Camacho J  17 hours back

                                                                                            Dag..so Mr Phoenix won't ever play in a Batman role? That's so weird. Like Hollywood is setting something up that will totally destroy our society. Instead of living the fantasy